SHAH ALAM: Money dont grow on trees. Apart from signing MOUs to buy Boeing passenger jets,
DS Najib Tun Razak also discussed with US President Donald Trump, defence and security matters.
From the joint US and Malaysia statement following the visit.
The United States and Malaysia pledged to strengthen bilateral defence ties. The two leaders underscored the importance of expanding cooperation in priority areas, including maritime security, counterterrorism, and information sharing between our defence and security forces. They committed to pursue additional opportunities for joint exercises and training.
The leaders also underscored the importance of enhancing maritime domain awareness through the development of maritime capabilities such as surveillance, communications, and information-sharing, and expressed their intent to continue discussions on funding of assets through the most effective mechanisms for developing these capabilities in order to advance regional security.
President Trump welcomed Malaysia’s intent to make an additional US$60 million in defence procurements from the United States.
US$60 million dollars or RM252 million is small change in defense and security world. For example a single Super Hornet cost some US$77 million or RM322 million, per flyaway cost of an aircraft. It will cost more if you include support, spares and training, of course. Read this if you dont agree with me of the price.
So RM252 million cannot possibly be for a Super Hornet, its not enough. Anyhow, even my sources in the Ministry have yet to confirm what is the intended procurement. They are being cautious of course, after what happened with the Blackhawk and MIG-29 deals.
That said the only US thing we had signed on was the M109 SPH. However as I also posted before even that had been delayed.
As it is, my best guess is that the US$60 million deal is likely to be the M109 SPH. It is too low for the MD530G LSAH deal. Your guess is as good as mine.
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I knew it, we won’t get SH. But In 2020 i guess We Gonna Have Rafale or Typhoon soon Since the SH Will gonna out of production in 2019. BTW, Apart from M109, Does it means we are the First Export Operator of Paladin A6 Marhalim.
With that amount maybe it’s for little things like support equipments, missiles, rifle accessories or others
I suppose $2 million USD for each SPH, so the amount is very possible for SPH, but who knows? Javelin ATGM maybe??
US$60 millions, a reasonable price to pay for some 30 units of refurbished M109?
We have to get back to that once it is confirmed its the SPH
Is the contract for the MD530G not signed yet? I thought Hishammuddin said they shall be delivered this year.
I hope it is not posible for us to buy second hand hornet from aussie
Where all the money goes?
I have no idea
We could buy 2 or 3 beechcraft 350 outfitted for maritime patrol….to replace the one that crashed. I think one cost about 12 mil without equipment. The planes could be outfitted later
Its cheaper just to fit the ISR equipment on the two Super King Airs already leased by RMAF
Good to hear we’re bolstering our artillery force. Seems like we’re getting Nemo 120mm mortar as well as mortar carrier variant of AV-8 as well
Next is to get new 105mm gun as well as additional 155mm gun to complement g5
There are still discussions on whether we need both the towed 105 and 155mm or should just go with 155mm only.
However the Super King Air are owned by Aerotree and its bankers may not like the idea of fitting something that may jeopardise its resale value in the event of loan default by the borrower.
And its new. RMAF likes new.
Alex and Marhalim,
Speeking About 105mm and 155mm, M777 and M119 is the Good Choice but You know Money is needed.
Yes money does not grow on trees. Even egypt, after buying brand new rafales, mistral LPDs, now getting some used Pohang corvettes from south korea.
If the army want a cheap towed howitzer, South Korean Kh-179 is the answer. It costs around 300k to 400k per piece, and we can buy dozens of those without even breaking the bank
If it’s good enough for rok army, it’s good enough fo us
Actually we can buy dozens of M777 without breaking the bank also
“There are still discussions on whether we need both the towed 105 and 155mm or should just go with 155mm only.”
I think it’s better that we should stick to towed 155 mm, since the M109A5 we are getting are also using 155 mm. Ease of logistic management.
Better get more g5. Other howitzer type will only unnecessarily complicating logistics
“If the army want a cheap towed howitzer, South Korean Kh-179 is the answer. It costs around 300k to 400k per piece, and we can buy dozens of those without even breaking the bank”
KH-179 is a M114 with a barrel lengthened to 39 calibers.
It is cheap because it is heavy. I don’t know if the army requires a direct replacement of the M56, in which case it won’t do because it is not heli portable.
For this price, you also don’t get an APU, powered loading systems or a digital fire control system to help with self location and aiming.
For another thing, a heavy gun will get stuck more often and more severely when towed.
What on earth you talking about. Kh179 lighter than g5 and even lighter than fh-70. It’s even lighter than the m114 since the barrel is replaced and the shield is removed.
Even the m777 cannot be air dropped by our nuri and they were usually transported by chinook. if wanna say heavy then all 155mm gun is more than 5 ton (except prolly m777)
Better google for 5 minutes for answer instead of spewing lies
Alex “What on earth you talking about. Kh179 lighter than g5 and even lighter than fh-70. It’s even lighter than the m114 since the barrel is replaced and the shield is removed.”
Are you high? You have no idea what you are talking about. KH-179 is a 39 caliber gun. It has no APU or powered loading. G5 is a with 45 caliber gun with an APU and powered loading. It will obviously be heavier than a KH-179.
In any case I never said to buy the G5 or KH-179. I said the KH-179 cannot directly replace the M56 if a heli-portable gun is is required.
Alex “Even the m777 cannot be air dropped by our nuri and they were usually transported by chinook. if wanna say heavy then all 155mm gun is more than 5 ton (except prolly m777)”
Again, I never said anything about buying the M777. The suggestion was from someone else and I also never said it would be a direct replacement for the M56.
Alex “Better google for 5 minutes for answer instead of spewing lies”
If you cannot keep track of who said buy what gun then maybe you should spend the five minutes to read again, Alex.
Alex “Kh179 … It’s even lighter than the m114 since the barrel is replaced and the shield is removed.”
Google will tell you that the KH-179 is 6890kg and M114 is 5800kg. What is wrong with you, Alex?