SHAH ALAM: Turkish delights. As the Army waits for the government to pony up the funds for the life extension programme for its Adnan and MIFV fleet, the Turkish government has announced that it was doing the same thing for its Turkish built M113 variants.
According to state owned Anadolu Agency, the Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB), a civil institution to strengthen Turkey’s national security industry and manage the system and supply of military technology, has agreed to start the first phase of the modernisation project involving 133 vehicles.
The two prototype M113 variants modernised for upgrade programme. AA.
From Daily Sabah.
The Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) are modernizing their armored vehicles with new weapon systems and high-tech mission equipment, an Anadolu Agency (AA) report said Wednesday.
The prototype of the modernizing project, which is being undertaken by the Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB), a civil institution to strengthen Turkey’s national security industry and manage the system and supply of military technology, has been completed.
The TL 900 million ($113.1 million) project began at the end of 2019 with the cooperation of Turkish defense giant ASELSAN and leading armored vehicle manufacturer FNNS, according to Ismail Demir, the head of the SSB.
As many as 133 vehicles will be modernized in the first phase, he said, adding that they will be equipped with remote control Nefer weapon, laser warning, close-range surveillance, driver vision, direction and navigation systems.
It is likely that if Malaysia wanted to be part of the modernisation programme, it can do so with some savings by joining the Turkey led project. I have no idea whether this has been conveyed to the Defence Ministry or not but this is one of the developments that the Turkish Embassy here in Kuala Lumpur would be glad to inform us.
Anyhow if there is a change of government (hint, hint) , the offer would likely come direct from the Turkish president, who could offer a big discounts not only for the project but also other stuff manufactured by the country.
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I have lost any faith in malaysian democracy. What is the use of voting if MP can become shameless frog when paid millions to hop later?
Anyway...
On the upgrades.
It would cost around USD0.85 million for each. That would include unmanned turrets, That is actually much less than what Deftech quoted to upgrade the Condor!!! Deftech quoted RM5 million for each Condor upgrade.
http://youth.bernama.com/v2/news.php?id=891360&c=2
Then there is a conundrum of to just reset the Adnan/MIFV as is, and spend the money to buy more AV8, so in 10 years time those Adnan can be replaced with bigger tracked IFVs with better protection? Or splurge on upgrading those Adnan and use them to 2040?
BTW an extract from Janes news in 2009 (Janes seems to delete all the old news)
" Malaysia has taken delivery of 42 Korean Infantry Fighting Vehicles (KIFVs, right) worth M$63 million ($25.2 million) from South Korea's Daewoo Heavy Industries. This is the first KIFV export order. The purchase involves five variants of the KIFV, which was developed in the early 1980s for the South Korean Army and entered service in1985. The variants comprise a troop carrier operated by two crew and holding nine infantry, a command vehicle, mortar carrier, recovery vehicle and ambulance "
So each KIFV was bought for just USD0.6 million each. But do note that KIFVs does not have turrets or cannons, just 0.50 cal machine guns.
Nonsense. No change in Government soon due to good leadership and our King's wise knowledge on AI's sinister plan/intention. Current government contributes better than last PH government. Any updates on LCS?
Better invest on new ifv altogather but ofcourse in the meantime we need to nurse adnan and mifv accordingly..the priority now is to replace condors, then the scorpions or/and stormers..Better to choose the platform like Puma/Lynx that got ifv and light tank variants..FNSS also got new IFV platform if im not mistaken the kaplan 20/30..
Sounds more like updating/upgrading the weapons systems and install sensors & vision systems. What about drive system? I believe our Adnan & MIFV are requiring refurb on that; new powerpack, suspension, tracks.
If you can see, the one upgraded with unmanned turret has lost the amphibious capability. The front trim vane has been removed, and additional armour just bolted onto the front glacis and engine hatch.
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/65135.jpg
Anyway, for a remote turret, i would prefer this instead (if we want a remote turret thst is).
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-roRZ0Vix9fY/XGmS9pV8TnI/AAAAAAABsRo/XXyBr0Mq924l9nU_J1hwabOtIgAjRQOMgCLcBGAs/s1600/0%2B%25281%2529.jpg
it would give a cannon commonality with gempita 30mm variants.
IMO if a reset/upgrade to be done to the Adnan/MIFV. Just a minimum one consisting
1) same higher powered daewoo engine from MIFV into all Adnans
2) gunshot locator system
3) all round camera system
4) A few MIFV to get soucy rubber tracks and Vingtaqs II mast for 11 KAD recce capability.
here is a picture of some of our adnans equipped with soucy rubber tracks, presumably just for test.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CF4H11Ue53U/XWaX_p27kFI/AAAAAAABGuw/iqK-92mVo9AygeBUHq142VuMCBylSTevACLcBGAs/s1600/65312590_859385621106113_1581732572742811648_n.jpg
Off topic
With airlines struggling it might be a good time for countries to get ATRs and 737s for their MPA and MSA conversions.
MAS for example has a number of 737-800s.
@ AM
Those ATRs are mostly in use as they are ideally sized for the small passenger numbers and domestic only routes we are seeing lately.
Mostly grounded in malaysia are those of 737-8 and 320/321.
For MPA, the P-8 is highly different to a normal 737 (with weapons bay for example) that it cant be done from conversions, although the AWACS Wedgetail version can.
http://live.staticflickr.com/5577/14529400709_11453d3dbd_z.jpg
The 320 MPA version is also a paper plane design only. So we need to pick the tabs to R&D it.
BTW it would be the right time for airlines to convert their passenger planes to cargo version, as passenger movement is now restricted.
some of the comments previously that can still be applicable to this topic.
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/adnan-slep/
... "For MPA, the P-8 is highly different to a normal 737 (with weapons bay for example) that it cant be done from"
Yes but not every country needs the full range of the P-8's capabilities or all the capabilities of the 737-800ER (which the P-8 is based on). Indeed most MPAs don't have them. What most countries would be interested in would be their preferred mix of maritime radar, EO, ELINT and self protection equipment. The P-8 itself is as valuable for its sensors as for its weapons.
There was an article recently advocating that USN P-8s and USAF B-1s should be teamed for sea control tasks, to make the most of each platform's strengths.
... "BTW it would be the right time for airlines to convert their passenger planes to cargo version, as passenger movement is now restricted."
Yes, temporary freighter conversions are a popular theme now.