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Five Things We Are Getting in RMK11

SHAH ALAM: YES this post should be the continuance of the earlier post. However as this is a defence and national security site I cannot ran a doom and gloom posts twice in a row. That posting will be next week.

Again, I am not claiming the items posted here are the definitive list. Far from it but I had always to try be as accurate as possible. I stand to be corrected of course. I may be accused of cheating by adding the LCS and Gempita but that is how the dice is rolled.

Five Things We Are Getting in RMK11

1) LCS

A CGI of the RMN LCS.

As the LCS started late in RMK10, it is obvious that it will be carried over in RMK11. From my calculations, some RM4 billion have already been disbursed for the project.

An early model of the LCS.

As the ceiling allocation for the project was reported to be RM9 billion expect the rest of the amount to be paid during the next five years or the five years after that (RMK12).

BNS/Gowind Frigate model

Furthermore, as the first ship is only expected to be delivered in 2019 and the rest in 10 months intervals, there is also the possibility that the allocation for the programme could be stretched out to RMK12 (2021-2026). This will be especially true if the programme is delayed due to various reasons. Lets hope it will not happen that way though!

2) Gempita (AV8)

Like the LCS, the national 8X8 project started late in RMK10, and the first vehicles were only started to be delivered within the last eight months. That however did not stop the operational deployment of the 8X8, now officially known as the Gempita though it was originally envisaged that initial operational capability to be declared by early next year.

One of the first production model Gempita, fitted with the 25mm Bushmaster turret.

12 of the Gempitas have now been deployed to Tawau since late January this year shortly after the vehicles were officially accepted into Army’s service.


I was told that the first unit to operate the Gempita, 19th RMR, will received its full allocation of vehicles by year end while the first vehicle equipped with the 30mm Denel turret is expected to delivered to its unit, an Armour regiment, any time now. In the meantime the variant fitted with the 30mm gun and ATGM turret is expected to be delivered by the fourth quarter.


Deftech, is expected to complete the delivery of the 257 Gempitas contracted within the next two years. Therefore like the LCS, funding for the project will be stretched out to RMK11

3) Light Scout Attack Helicopter

Following the Lahad Datu 2013 incursion, talk was rife an imminent purchase of at least six attack helicopters was imminent. and the Airbus Helicopters Tiger was supposed to be the prime candidate.

Airbus Helicoper Tiger displayed at LIMA 2011.

With a number of Army Air Wing’s pilots seconded to the French Army to fly on the Tigers everyone expected that a deal was foregone conclusion. However by early 2014 it appeared that the Defence Ministry had second thoughts about the Tigers and was looking instead at Bell Helicopters AH-1Z Super Cobra.

As if to counter the reports on the Super Cobra it was reported that the Tiger deal had been firmed up by the middle of 2014 but this time around it was supposed to be a lease deal. However by Lima 2015, all the talk of the Army buying or leasing attack helicopters had died down.

The MD530G that was displayed at LIMA 2015. Note the weapons fit.

Instead of the gnarly attack helicopter, the more sensible (and much more cheaper) light scout attack helicopter became the mantra. And at Lima 2015, an MD Helicopter MD530G Scout helicopter was displayed. It also conducted flight demonstrations to VVIPS and some members of the media.

Boeing AH-6I

Boeing also brought its contender, another AH-6i albeit in a model form only. Both helicopters are derivatives of the Little Bird, the light scout attack helicopter which first saw service during the Vietnam war.

Industry sources have confirmed to Malaysian Defence that the light scout attack helicopter will be funded during RMK11. They however could not confirmed the numbers. It has been reported before that the requirement was between eight and 24. I will put my money that 12 will be procured.

4) MPA

CN 235 MPA of TNI-AL displayed at LIMA 2015

During his winding-up speech for RMK11 at Parliament on June 15, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein stated that among others, the Royal Malaysian Air Force will procuring MPA in phases. It was the only new asset for RMAF which he had stated during the speech.

Industry sources have since informed Malaysian Defence that 4 MPA will be procured. However there was no indication the type of MPA. I am assuming that the most likely candidate will be the CN-235 MPA that was displayed during LIMA 2015 by PT Dirgantra of Indonesia. The aircraft was fitted with the Thales AMASCOS.

Thales AMASCOS workstation on board the CN235 MPA displayed at LIMA 2015.

According to Thales “AMASCOS combines a powerful tactical command subsystem with the latest-generation sensor suites to ensure the success of maritime patrol and surveillance missions from maritime surveillance (EEZ surveillance, fishing, shipping and drug interdiction), anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare, electronic intelligence (ELINT), joint littoral operations, search and rescue (SAR) and environmental monitoring”.

RMAF Beechcraft B200T MPA

The AMASCOS are already installed on the four Beechcraft B200T MPA operated by RMAF. Two more systems were recently procured and are in the process of installation. The aircraft however is fitted with Telephonics RDR-1700 radars instead of the Ocean Master which was fitted on the CN-235 MPA displayed at Lima 2015.

RMAF Beechcraft B200T

A cheaper alternative will be the Beechcraft Super King Air 350 fitted with the same AMASCOS suite or the Saab MPA alternatives, the 2000 and the 340.

A US Border Patrol Super King Air 350.

An over the top solution for the MPA requirement will be the Boeing P-8 Poseidon and Japan’s new Kawasaki P-1 MPA (below).

Kawasaki P-1 MPA. JSMDF

5) ASW Helicopter

A CGI image of two AW159 Wildcat armed to the teeth

The project to equip the RMN with six ASW helicopters was supposed to be funded in RMK10. However it was deferred. Fortunately it has now been revealed that the project had been approved for RMK11.
RSAF Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk helicopter. Note the drum for the dipping sonar

Three helicopters are expected to vie for the project, the AgustaWestland AW-159 Wildcat, the Sikorsky S-70 Seahawk and the Airbus Helicopter H225M Cougar.
RMAF Airbus Helicopter H225M Cougar delivering SF soldiers during an exercise on the South China Sea in 2014. Joint Force picture.

If RMN were to base the helicopters on its three main surface combatants from the LCS, Lekiu, Jebat and the six Kedah class, the Wildcat will probably be chosen. If it was supposed to operate from the LCS only, the Cougar looks a strong bet.

More Deals for Deftech?

Deftech AV6.

Apart from the five items above, industry sources said that there was a strong possibility that Deftech will also be given a contract for the manufacture the MRAP (derived from Thailand’s Chaiseri) and the AV6, most probably to replace the Condors operating in Lebanon by the Malaysian UNIFIL contingent.

Deftech MRAP

Since I have yet to get further confirmation on these items I will just mentioned it in passing here. I will of course chase the leads after Hari Raya.

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  • Dear Marhalim. An early Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri to u n your family

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    Thank You, Lee

  • Let me tell you this, i never like the Deftech MRAP because the behind shape looks to ugly. Beside they have that license from Chaiseri manufacture place. Boring.... but the others i have no critics on that. I hope Malaysian Goverment choose Eurocopter because i like the shape of it... Anyway, Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri Admin!

  • Well a bit Misleading for 1) and 2) procurement done in RMK10, not need mention in RMK11, is not procurement under rmk11. only item 3/4/5 is potential procurement under rmk11. it sould be report what we procuere under rmk11
    As above report generally disappointed and no vision for malaysia defense. very sad.
    3) for Attack helicopter (AH), if get MD530D and AH6i better dont buy, it just specially ops AH, shot range fire power is low, defense capability also low, well we should see bigger picture get proper AH to boost up PUTD capability, not only on ESSCOM. if budget issue get cheaper one like T129.
    4) on MPA, if select CN235 why not getting better one like C295 MPA with ASW capability, than we no need ASW helicopter. Ocean Master already very old, Thales already got new one, "SEARCHMASTER" aesa radar tech, much power than Ocean Master, too bad it Israel tech inside.
    5) For ASW helicopter, still not clear it work independent or as Gowind LCS station helicopter? if work independent form navy base, better get ASW aircraft. every body know heli is sort range.
    if staion in ship, need to study what ship well be station. it permanently station or rotation? Kedah class using L3 sonar, Gowind class using Thales captas, so ASW heli what system will be carry? so can do integration and link. basically AW159 is carry Thales system, seahawk is carry L3 sonar. other problem is AW159/Seahowk is too small space on board, if fit with ASW terminal and module, the heli is no more space to do transportation and rescue job. still best is get NH90NFH for ASW helicopter, space enough for do ASW system, Thales Flash system easy intregate with Gowind lcs Thales ASW system,and extra space for Search/Rescue mission.

  • Selamat hari raya marhalim,

    For the light attack heli buy the md helicopter is the cheaper of the two little bird derivatives. A fleet of 24 would get 3 flight of 8 helicopters each. 1 deployed (esscom), 1 training/stanby, 1 rest/maintenance.

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    Selamat Hari Raya to yourself too. BTW can you resend the articles you send me last time so I can repost them?

  • Well. I do agree wirh thw procurements. The light scout n attaxk helucopter is all we need bow for ESSCOM. With the laser guided rockets made available n ability to mount the forward firing gatling guns its a potent little heli. Being small its also not easy to hit. Let us use this small heli to develop our tactics n concepts of using attack heli for future proxuremenr of proper attack heli.
    The chaiseri if its armoured for mrap purpose i.e anti mine toi like the other mraps would be great for ESSCOM use for the time being. The 6x6 version of gempita woyld also be a great addition to the 8x8 gempita .
    The mpa we are going to buy is i assume for maritime patrolling n not a multipurpose anti sub n isr equipped plane like the p8 or the jap version of mpa

  • If we go for Ah6i, then what is the different if we armed those AW139 with rockets pod and gatling guns? If we looking for attack helo better stick to the 6 tigre as per earlier plan. If I\'m not mistaken indonesia buy 8 apachies for about 296.8 mil USD. I guess the figure for 6 tigre must be lower than that. SavvyKL, If I\'m not mistaken LCS has 2 type of sonars 1st is hull mounted type 2nd one is TAS (captas)

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    Not much difference between an armed A109 and the Little Birds. The Tiger expensive than the Apaches I believe as they are not as many..

  • The little birds are much smaller n much more agile. In a battle field being small n agile has its advantage. A larger body is easier to hit.

  • Lee Yoke Meng,
    Little birds is not more agile than larger ship, say a Ranger or Fennec. At full armed its better described as fat slow bird. And as a plastic ship without speed, I and many other pilot prefers to have a little bit more speed and payload to carry a few armor plate.

    SavvyKL,
    ASW chopper has nothing to do with MPA.

    From what I understand the SEARCHMASTER is a Thales group effort. Only the UAV variant involved Elbit.

    Sonar and radar is not as if you put out a T/R and things will just fall into place. Water as a medium itself is a bitch together with living and non living things under the sea. Hull based sonar suffers from noise itself created. And in an operation, for obvious reason, the ship is on the move which makes things harder than it should. Chopper on other hand hovers above the surface, no contact with the water means a lot less self inflict noise. Even it may not be as powerful as ship based sensor, especially the computing power it carries, the picked up signal act as a reference when send back to the mother ship, in some case triples the efficiency of a detection.