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Logic Or….

SHAH ALAM: IN his response to the news that Brunei will transfer its four Sikorsky S-70A Blackhawks to RMAF, Azlan wrote: “By logic, ownership of the 2 S-70As should be transferred from the PMs Department to the RMAF, to add to the 4 former RBAF examples.

I am not it sure its logic or not, but the two VIP Blackhawk S-70A helicopters – M46-01 and M46-02 – will soon be operated by RMAF in utility role in addition to the 4 RBAF examples. The two Blackhawks, I am told would be de-VIPed (is there such a word?) and reconfigured into a utility role, complete -ahem with the mini-guns.

The PM was quoted by Bernama on Aug 11 confirming that Malaysia was getting the 4 RBAF Blackhawks.

M46-02 VIP Blackhawk. Although crewed by RMAF personnel, their tasking come under the PMO. Malaysian Defence

The two VIP helicopters will joined the 4 ex-RBAF examples, once they are transferred to Malaysia of course. As with any US made arms, Brunei need to get the approval from Uncle Sam to transfer to them to us. So far there is no confirmation whether or not the transfer has been cleared by the US.

MMEA AW139 M72-03 was used to carry Istana Negara officials accompanying the Agong when the King flies in the VIP Blackhawk. Picture taken in late 2013. Malaysian Defence

Ironically, I am also told that to re-role the two Blackhawks as utility helicopters, we also need the clearance from the US. Again I have yet to find out whether the clearance has been given or not. The conversions is expected to be conducted by Airod which is under contract to support the helicopters. The conversions have not started, I am told.

RBAF S-70A Blackhawk helicopter. USAF photo

Wait, does this mean the PM Department getting new VIP helicopters? I have no idea. Perhaps they will not or maybe the replacement helicopters had already been ordered but have yet to be announced. Instead of buying they could also opt for another hire and purchase deal as with the ACJ320 which replaced the BBJ earlier this year. Of course, they can also signed a deal with a local helicopter provider to provide the machines under a PFI programme, similar to the one for the RMAF’s training helicopters.

Whatever method chosen, it is likely that RMAF will continue to provide the flight crews for the helicopters (just like the other PMO executive jets) with Airod providing support and maintenance unless the machines selected are from Airbus Helicopters. If thats the case, BHIC Aeroservices Sdn Bhd, the ISS provider for the Cougars will be selected.

The ACJ320 9H-AWK which is operated by the PMO since early this year to replace the BBJ which had been sold.

The story about the ACJ320 deal, from the Star datelined March 17, 2015:

KUALA LUMPUR: The Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ320) was bought to replace a 16-year-old Boeing Business Jet (BBJ).

Discussions to replace the BBJ started two years ago taking into consideration the increasing costs and safety concerns of the older plane, said the Prime Minister’s Department in a statement yesterday.

“The BBJ would be disposed off to finance the purchase of the new jet,” said the statement.

It added that the ACJ320 was bought via a hire-purchase agreement for 15 years.

“Acquiring the ACJ320 for the Government executive fleet of aircraft will reduce the operational, management and maintenance costs as the Government already own the ACJ319 aircraft,” added the statement.

The statement said, apart from the ACJ319 and ACJ320, other vehicles in the executive fleet included the smaller Falcon bought in 1989 and the Global Express 2001″. – The Star.

It must be noted that the BBJ was purchased in 1997 (delivered in 1999) by Malaysia Airlines almost the same time as the VIP Blackhawks were procured. However I am pretty sure that the Blackhawks have lower flight hours than the BBJ. The BBJ was added to the PMO executive flight after Malaysia Airlines was sold back to the government following the 1998 economic crisis.

In justifying replacing the BBJ, the PMO statement cited “increasing costs and safety concerns of the older plane“.

So is this the case with Blackhawks? Your guess is as good as mine!

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View Comments (43)

  • It is acceptable for pm dept transferring the blackhawk, but what is not logic is RMAF getting them for utility mission. The heli should be going for Putd. Rmaf should maintain its business in sar and csar only. No more tth utility roles. Is this apmm/police marine saga continue ?

  • Smaller blackhawks going to the airforce while half of the larger nuri fleet going to the army?

    Rather have 1 force operating all of the nuri while another operates all of the blackhawk

    Reply
    The green side also did not want the Nuris but its their big boss pet project....

  • In other words, the army won't getting a new birds for a while huh?

    So, just when will the army gets the chance for troop transport role? Another 10 years perhaps?

    Reply
    the Army is just starting to learn the troop transport role. Once they got it right then it will be the time for them to do it.

  • S-70A VIP convert to Utility (what kind of Utility version? it is Utility S-70A RBAF or Utility S-70A US Army)

    I don't care which service will run the S-70A Utility SQN. All I care is those operators know what to do WTSHTF.

    Reply
    No idea at the moment. Probably the cheapest version.

  • Why dont we buy the australian black hawk since them are being replaced soon

    Reply
    I have not heard anything about buying more Blackhawks at the moment...

  • I do know that the Ringgit currency will be restore by next year so it look's like we have to survive this 'Darkest time' year while waiting fhe family of AV8 Gempita.

  • With the retirement of the AS-61s, the only rotary assets owned by the government, which are VVIP/VIP configured, are the 2 S-70s. Protocol dictates that the Agong can't fly in a Nuri or a Cougar. The S-70 has never been popular as there is not enough roof clearance for the passengers to stand when entering or exiting the aircraft. There were rumours in the 1990's that we tried to sell the S-70s to Brunei.

  • Rather than converting the VIP bird, why not sell those off and get used utility blackhawks with the proceeds?

    Yes Australia is replacing their blackhawks with nh90, and its blackhawk is mostly similar to the bruneian blackhawks. Could ask them nicely as a "derma" right?

    Reply
    I doubt anyone wants to buy two second hand VIP Blackhawks. Yes we could get the Aussie to "derma" their Blackhawks but as I said earlier I have not heard anything about that. I am not saying that if I did not hear anything about it means we are not trying to get them. Far from it.

  • MILSPEC,

    The main concern is how long will the army take to be able to not only operate but also maintain its Nuris. Remember that a lot of maintenance and stuff like rotor and engine changes are done at squadron level.
    Given their age and size, the Nuris will obviously be more maintenance intensive than the A-109s and even with RMAF assistance; army support crews will need time to get it right. The army may have the needed pilots at hand but it will have to expand and improve its group support infrastructure.

    ......,

    Selling them to fund utility S-70s would serve no purpose. Faster and more practical to strip the 2 of their VIP fittings. The good news is that both haven't flown a lot and will have more hours left in their airframes than surplus S-70s acquired from elsewhere. No doubt the availability of a External Stores Support System will come in handy.